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    Re: Some progress...

    Quote Originally Posted by simple man View Post
    It would be a big help. Can you imagine if the healthcare was funded someway and that 1000 bucks a month our employers pay now could be used for their business? However, I think this will end up in the same file as, "I'm gonna save SS!"

    True IMHO Obama may end up spending all his "Political Capatial" on this issue as Bush did SS


    Both are big problems that seem to do nothing more than stink worse the more people try to poke them around


    There is no doubt that Health care costs have to get under control given that we are as a country getting older and older and on avg require more and more care.

    There is ALSO no doubt that once SS starts putting out more than it takes in bad things will happen given that the Federal gov has gotten used to useing that surplus in there general funds

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    Re: Some progress...

    WASHINGTON - Even for a Democratic president, Barack Obama's challenge to health insurance companies and free market principles Tuesday was unusually pointed.

    A government-run health insurance option is needed "to discipline insurance companies," he said, part of his rallying cry for comprehensive health care overhaul. If they can't compete, it's probably their fault. Many private insurers, he said, spend too much time thinking about profits instead of helping people.

    The barbs were aimed at the Republican lawmakers and insurance industry groups that have criticized his plan while wrapping themselves in free enterprise's cloak. But the president, whose liberal supporters sometimes question his fervor for their causes, stopped short of fully committing to a public insurance option.
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    "We have not drawn lines in the sand," Obama said at a White House news conference. His call for a public insurance option, in other words, might become a bargaining chip as Congress grapples with sweeping proposals to revamp the nation's health care system.

    Obama's top legislative priority is to provide coverage to nearly 50 million uninsured Americans and cut costs. He wants to sign a bill in October.

    Disciplining insurance companies
    While his tone and demeanor were as calm as ever, the president responded sternly to the health insurance industry, which had sent him a warning only hours earlier. The industry's two largest trade groups said his proposed government insurance plan would have unfair advantages and would likely dismantle the employer-supplied coverage that millions of Americans have relied on for a half-century.

    Obama disagreed, sharply.

    "The public plan, I think, is an important tool to discipline insurance companies," he said. "Too often, insurance companies have been spending more time thinking about how to take premiums and then avoid providing people coverage than they have been thinking about 'How can we make sure that insurance is there, health care is there, when families need it?'"

    A public plan would not be unfairly subsidized, Obama said. It would have to collect premiums and provide good service, like any viable operation. Public and private providers alike would have to stop the practice of refusing to insure people with pre-existing medical problems, he said.

    With those caveats, he said, private insurers "should be able to compete." If the government-run program "is able to reduce administrative costs significantly, then you know what, I'd like the insurance companies to take note and say, 'Hey, if the public plan can do that, why can't we?'"

    He practically taunted those who denigrate government bureaucrats and exalt the free market.

    "Why would it drive private insurance out of business?" he said of the proposed public option. If private insurers "tell us that they're offering a good deal, then why is it that the government, which they say can't run anything, suddenly is going to drive them out of business? That's not logical."

    Obama discredits public opinion
    Obama acknowledged that some employers might stop offering their workers insurance if a low-cost public option is available. But U.S. employers will continue to stop offering insurance for other reasons ? mainly, high costs ? if the health care system is not overhauled, he said, and a government-run plan should be part of the change.

    He went so far as to suggest that Americans don't know their own minds when they praise their insurance providers. Some polls show that up to 80 percent of people "are satisfied with the health insurance that they currently have," Obama said. "The only problem is that premiums have been doubling every nine years, going up three times faster than wages."

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    Obama takes on insurers over health care plan

    His critics quickly fired back. The Republican National Committee released a cable-TV ad saying Obama's insurance plan would result in "putting government bureaucrats in charge instead of patients and their doctors."

    These critics may take some comfort in the ample wriggle room the president left himself.

    "Right now," Obama said at the news conference, "I will say that our position is that a public plan makes sense."WASHINGTON - Even for a Democratic president, Barack Obama's challenge to health insurance companies and free market principles Tuesday was unusually pointed.

    A government-run health insurance option is needed "to discipline insurance companies," he said, part of his rallying cry for comprehensive health care overhaul. If they can't compete, it's probably their fault. Many private insurers, he said, spend too much time thinking about profits instead of helping people.

    The barbs were aimed at the Republican lawmakers and insurance industry groups that have criticized his plan while wrapping themselves in free enterprise's cloak. But the president, whose liberal supporters sometimes question his fervor for their causes, stopped short of fully committing to a public insurance option.
    Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here

    "We have not drawn lines in the sand," Obama said at a White House news conference. His call for a public insurance option, in other words, might become a bargaining chip as Congress grapples with sweeping proposals to revamp the nation's health care system.

    Obama's top legislative priority is to provide coverage to nearly 50 million uninsured Americans and cut costs. He wants to sign a bill in October.

    Disciplining insurance companies
    While his tone and demeanor were as calm as ever, the president responded sternly to the health insurance industry, which had sent him a warning only hours earlier. The industry's two largest trade groups said his proposed government insurance plan would have unfair advantages and would likely dismantle the employer-supplied coverage that millions of Americans have relied on for a half-century.

    Obama disagreed, sharply.

    "The public plan, I think, is an important tool to discipline insurance companies," he said. "Too often, insurance companies have been spending more time thinking about how to take premiums and then avoid providing people coverage than they have been thinking about 'How can we make sure that insurance is there, health care is there, when families need it?'"

    A public plan would not be unfairly subsidized, Obama said. It would have to collect premiums and provide good service, like any viable operation. Public and private providers alike would have to stop the practice of refusing to insure people with pre-existing medical problems, he said.

    With those caveats, he said, private insurers "should be able to compete." If the government-run program "is able to reduce administrative costs significantly, then you know what, I'd like the insurance companies to take note and say, 'Hey, if the public plan can do that, why can't we?'"

    He practically taunted those who denigrate government bureaucrats and exalt the free market.

    "Why would it drive private insurance out of business?" he said of the proposed public option. If private insurers "tell us that they're offering a good deal, then why is it that the government, which they say can't run anything, suddenly is going to drive them out of business? That's not logical."

    Obama discredits public opinion
    Obama acknowledged that some employers might stop offering their workers insurance if a low-cost public option is available. But U.S. employers will continue to stop offering insurance for other reasons ? mainly, high costs ? if the health care system is not overhauled, he said, and a government-run plan should be part of the change.

    He went so far as to suggest that Americans don't know their own minds when they praise their insurance providers. Some polls show that up to 80 percent of people "are satisfied with the health insurance that they currently have," Obama said. "The only problem is that premiums have been doubling every nine years, going up three times faster than wages."


    His critics quickly fired back. The Republican National Committee released a cable-TV ad saying Obama's insurance plan would result in "putting government bureaucrats in charge instead of patients and their doctors."

    These critics may take some comfort in the ample wriggle room the president left himself.

    "Right now," Obama said at the news conference, "I will say that our position is that a public plan makes sense."

    Obama rebukes insurance critics, GOP - White House- msnbc.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burton13 View Post
    WASHINGTON - Even for a Democratic president, Barack Obama's challenge to health insurance companies and free market principles Tuesday was unusually pointed.

    A government-run health insurance option is needed "to discipline insurance companies," he said, part of his rallying cry for comprehensive health care overhaul. If they can't compete, it's probably their fault. Many private insurers, he said, spend too much time thinking about profits instead of helping people.

    The barbs were aimed at the Republican lawmakers and insurance industry groups that have criticized his plan while wrapping themselves in free enterprise's cloak. But the president, whose liberal supporters sometimes question his fervor for their causes, stopped short of fully committing to a public insurance option.
    Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here

    "We have not drawn lines in the sand," Obama said at a White House news conference. His call for a public insurance option, in other words, might become a bargaining chip as Congress grapples with sweeping proposals to revamp the nation's health care system.

    Obama's top legislative priority is to provide coverage to nearly 50 million uninsured Americans and cut costs. He wants to sign a bill in October.

    Disciplining insurance companies
    While his tone and demeanor were as calm as ever, the president responded sternly to the health insurance industry, which had sent him a warning only hours earlier. The industry's two largest trade groups said his proposed government insurance plan would have unfair advantages and would likely dismantle the employer-supplied coverage that millions of Americans have relied on for a half-century.

    Obama disagreed, sharply.

    "The public plan, I think, is an important tool to discipline insurance companies," he said. "Too often, insurance companies have been spending more time thinking about how to take premiums and then avoid providing people coverage than they have been thinking about 'How can we make sure that insurance is there, health care is there, when families need it?'"

    A public plan would not be unfairly subsidized, Obama said. It would have to collect premiums and provide good service, like any viable operation. Public and private providers alike would have to stop the practice of refusing to insure people with pre-existing medical problems, he said.

    With those caveats, he said, private insurers "should be able to compete." If the government-run program "is able to reduce administrative costs significantly, then you know what, I'd like the insurance companies to take note and say, 'Hey, if the public plan can do that, why can't we?'"

    He practically taunted those who denigrate government bureaucrats and exalt the free market.

    "Why would it drive private insurance out of business?" he said of the proposed public option. If private insurers "tell us that they're offering a good deal, then why is it that the government, which they say can't run anything, suddenly is going to drive them out of business? That's not logical."

    Obama discredits public opinion
    Obama acknowledged that some employers might stop offering their workers insurance if a low-cost public option is available. But U.S. employers will continue to stop offering insurance for other reasons ? mainly, high costs ? if the health care system is not overhauled, he said, and a government-run plan should be part of the change.

    He went so far as to suggest that Americans don't know their own minds when they praise their insurance providers. Some polls show that up to 80 percent of people "are satisfied with the health insurance that they currently have," Obama said. "The only problem is that premiums have been doubling every nine years, going up three times faster than wages."

    Click for related content
    Obama takes on insurers over health care plan

    His critics quickly fired back. The Republican National Committee released a cable-TV ad saying Obama's insurance plan would result in "putting government bureaucrats in charge instead of patients and their doctors."

    These critics may take some comfort in the ample wriggle room the president left himself.

    "Right now," Obama said at the news conference, "I will say that our position is that a public plan makes sense."WASHINGTON - Even for a Democratic president, Barack Obama's challenge to health insurance companies and free market principles Tuesday was unusually pointed.

    A government-run health insurance option is needed "to discipline insurance companies," he said, part of his rallying cry for comprehensive health care overhaul. If they can't compete, it's probably their fault. Many private insurers, he said, spend too much time thinking about profits instead of helping people.

    The barbs were aimed at the Republican lawmakers and insurance industry groups that have criticized his plan while wrapping themselves in free enterprise's cloak. But the president, whose liberal supporters sometimes question his fervor for their causes, stopped short of fully committing to a public insurance option.
    Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here

    "We have not drawn lines in the sand," Obama said at a White House news conference. His call for a public insurance option, in other words, might become a bargaining chip as Congress grapples with sweeping proposals to revamp the nation's health care system.

    Obama's top legislative priority is to provide coverage to nearly 50 million uninsured Americans and cut costs. He wants to sign a bill in October.

    Disciplining insurance companies
    While his tone and demeanor were as calm as ever, the president responded sternly to the health insurance industry, which had sent him a warning only hours earlier. The industry's two largest trade groups said his proposed government insurance plan would have unfair advantages and would likely dismantle the employer-supplied coverage that millions of Americans have relied on for a half-century.

    Obama disagreed, sharply.

    "The public plan, I think, is an important tool to discipline insurance companies," he said. "Too often, insurance companies have been spending more time thinking about how to take premiums and then avoid providing people coverage than they have been thinking about 'How can we make sure that insurance is there, health care is there, when families need it?'"

    A public plan would not be unfairly subsidized, Obama said. It would have to collect premiums and provide good service, like any viable operation. Public and private providers alike would have to stop the practice of refusing to insure people with pre-existing medical problems, he said.

    With those caveats, he said, private insurers "should be able to compete." If the government-run program "is able to reduce administrative costs significantly, then you know what, I'd like the insurance companies to take note and say, 'Hey, if the public plan can do that, why can't we?'"

    He practically taunted those who denigrate government bureaucrats and exalt the free market.

    "Why would it drive private insurance out of business?" he said of the proposed public option. If private insurers "tell us that they're offering a good deal, then why is it that the government, which they say can't run anything, suddenly is going to drive them out of business? That's not logical."

    Obama discredits public opinion
    Obama acknowledged that some employers might stop offering their workers insurance if a low-cost public option is available. But U.S. employers will continue to stop offering insurance for other reasons ? mainly, high costs ? if the health care system is not overhauled, he said, and a government-run plan should be part of the change.

    He went so far as to suggest that Americans don't know their own minds when they praise their insurance providers. Some polls show that up to 80 percent of people "are satisfied with the health insurance that they currently have," Obama said. "The only problem is that premiums have been doubling every nine years, going up three times faster than wages."


    His critics quickly fired back. The Republican National Committee released a cable-TV ad saying Obama's insurance plan would result in "putting government bureaucrats in charge instead of patients and their doctors."

    These critics may take some comfort in the ample wriggle room the president left himself.

    "Right now," Obama said at the news conference, "I will say that our position is that a public plan makes sense."

    Obama rebukes insurance critics, GOP - White House- msnbc.com
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    Re: Some progress...

    I guess I did, don't know how I screwed that post up that much.

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    Re: Some progress...

    And onward we march....TOWARD SOCIALSIM!

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    Re: Some progress...

    Same old rhetoric is getting so old. Puzzles me how this bill pertains to socialism the least bit.

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    Re: Some progress...

    I have to agree I do not see the connection eaither...........I will say I do question wheather it is moraly right to deside that commiting a crime against one type of person warnts a harsher penality than the same crime against another person of a differant background. That being said if someone is beaten, raped or killed I am all for the perptrater getting a tougher sentance so it is a wash

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    Re: Some progress...

    "The more laws, the less justice" so true.

    The hate crimes laws are totally unneeded and have been abused in the past.

    I remember several years back a case up around Roanoke that was prosecuted as a hate crime and reported heavily in the national media as a hate crime. Some white guy had beheaded some black guy with a sword or something up that way and the media really picked it up and ran with it. As I said it was also prosecuted as a hate crime.

    Sounds like one? Well, I had a buddy from up there who knew both of these guys. Said they were best friends, that they use to do drugs together and commit B&E's together all the time. I checked some of the stories in the local media up there, sure enough, they were reporting that too. But, the national media never uttered a word of it and the prosecutor pressed on with the hate crime charges.
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    Re: Some progress...

    On the broader subject of the thread.

    I support a lot of what Obama says he wants to do, especially need to fix health care in this country. But, is it just me or does he seems to have flip-flopped on like ten issues without it being mentioned widely?
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